Killzone dev stands up to fan criticism

  • Posted February 28th, 2008 at 08:38 EDT by
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Who says that videogame developers are supposed to be non-responsive robots? After all, they are only human, and whenever they pour all of their efforts into a project to only have some unknowledgeable gamer downplay it, it is inevitable they will take steps to defend their latest works.

That is exactly what happened to one unsuspecting fan of Killzone 2. Over on the forums of the US official PlayStation website, fans were given the chance to learn as much as they can about the upcoming Killzone 2 title in an “Ask a Dev” thread.

While everything seemed to be progressing smoothly enough, a “heckler” stopped by and, instead of asking a question, the user decided to add steam to the situation by labeling Killzone 2 as a failure among other nasty comments. However, the dev team did not let that go without their final word, which is exactly what happened with this long but coherent comment:

Honestly. I've started writing this reply three times, switching from angry flaming of the kind of mentality that draws people to wasting their lives making posts like the above, through into a factual listing of the many inaccuracies in your post (almost every word is, in fact, objectively incorrect). I've no idea what makes gamers turn so frigging nasty when Devs don't cater to their every whim and I'm not going to start guessing now - if you want to go be excited about Eight Days then be my guest. You're not commiting apostacy, nobody's going to want to tear you to pieces for it. You're really not going to hurt my feelings.

But really - how you can turn 'looks better than any other PS3 game in development (even Killzone 2!)' into Killzone 2 being a failure beggars belief. Is there only allowed to be one good game at once? When it is news that a game looks better than Killzone 2, I'd say that suggests that Killzone 2 looks pretty damn good.

The E3 2005 trailer was NOT false. One confused Sony rep claimed it was a movie from the game engine - one guy blizted out of his mind on fatigue, jetlag and the madness that is E3. One guy not at all affiliated with Guerrilla Games - probably with a head full of 30 different titles. Everyone else named the E3 2005 video for what it was - a target render of what we thought would be possible on the PS3. Something we would be aiming for.

Then, during E3 2007, in front of the majority of the gaming journalist press we released a trailer of Pre-Alpha code running and demonstrated a PLAYABLE Killzone 2 that stunned the industry. If you know me at all from watching me answer questions you know that I'm not prone to hyperbole in the slightest. The quotes coming from those sessions included 'jaw dropping', 'amazing', 'stunning' and 'a complete vindication'.

Notwithstanding that, you decide that the E3 2007 sessions failed - a completely reversed opinion from just about everyone who saw it running or played it. What you say 'everybody' knows is something that almost nobody believes.

The truth is that NOBODY is releasing the definitive game of the PS3 only 3 years into it's lifespan. And no sane person would even try to release 'the definitive game' - because who knows what will make the definitive game definitive? The only shame here are whatever feelings made you decide to come in and post things that even you must know are untrue, simply in an attempt to score points and / or upset people.


The only thing that can be said is that the longer the wait for a game, the higher the expectations grow. So hopefully Killzone 2 will be the game that we are all expecting it to be and nothing less.

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  1. goldenman96 | goldenman96

    • 8:39am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    1st

  2. AZURA-DRAGON | Azura-Dragon

    • 8:42am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    2nd

  3. Anim3Fr33K | Anim3Fr33K

    • 8:48am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    kick a*$ devs, gotta love it, also good f***ing god why post if all your gonna do is post 1st

  4. loakers | Loakers

    • 8:50am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    good on him I say!!

  5. iplayonlysony

    • 9:03am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    Ok, that is all great and dandy, but can we get a release date?

  6. Enacku | enacku

    • 9:06am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    Please mods, delete goldenman96 and azura-dragons post. Why would you guys post and say nothing but numbers? It shows how incredibly ignorant you are.

    As far as killzone 2, im still hyped for its release. Even more so than Haze.

  7. andonino | enacku

    • 9:08am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    Feb 30th

  8. Muzikguy | Muzikguy

    • 9:08am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    that's just beautiful, way to go!

  9. Lukky1

    • 9:09am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    This is great.  I mean we all know that Killzone is gonna live up to the hype.  I loved the first one and Liberation so I trust in Guerilla's ability.  Kinda sounds like an angry xbox fanboy hating on a game because Halo 3 was a rushed, cash-in on the hype failure. 

  10. richkaos | richkaos

    • 9:29am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    it is true that empty vessels make the most noise, you just have to feel sorry for these sad individuals, but every forum has em. Im looking forward to killzone.

  11. TekkenLord | HitMan00

    • 9:30am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    sound like some 360 fan boy.

  12. RotaryMatt | RotaryMatt

    • 9:41am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    IT bothers me when people hate on a game that has great graphics and have no idea as to how the game feels and plays. We all want the game to be great of course but in all honesty we cant go out making comments like its a failure or KZ2 will make the PS3 sales rise by a 1,000% :D since we havent had a hands on on a game thats not even ready. Anyways i really hope this games rocks and thats was a good Kill by the KZ2 devs

  13. jicaley | UKMF-Jay

    • 9:44am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    YEAH!!! Now lets go and kick his head in! : )

  14. Staticneuron | Staticneuron

    • 9:46am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    I am glad he said this. Some gamers need a life.

  15. Promethius30 | Tealcsg1

    • 10:00am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    lol

  16. Ezcobar411

    • 10:15am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    He told him. lol

  17. Organic_Shadow | OrganicShadow

    • 10:16am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    That was the equivalent of smashing that guys' teeth in. Good job Guerilla! You don't take that mess from mess-talkers!

  18. IONIXX | IONIXX

    • 10:25am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    wow the dev sure did put that guy back in his place :)

  19. Damodoomer

    • 10:47am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    How is this news?!!?! Woo, somebody was a d!ck on the internet. Why even bother with an article like this? Do you have a quota to fill, Sarad? Coz really, this is only going to end up with comments like "Yeah, woo! Showed HIM!" and my personal favourite, "probably just a 360 fanboy". There is really nothing interesting about this.

  20. Xdeth | Xdeth

    • 10:49am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    Love the response from the dev. @ 1 and 2  your both g@@y

    Whats sad, is it probally was an Xbot who has a PS3 but doesn't admit it to his other Xbot friends.

  21. Paranoimia | Paranoimia

    • 10:59am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    @ Damodoomer - On the contrary, I find this quite interesting and newsworthy.

     

    Forums and games sites are constantly filled with morons like this, mouthing off about things they quite clearly know nothiing about.

     

    I personally find it quite refreshing to hear a dev's response to one of these idiots.

  22. gingo | gingo

    • 11:06am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    psn id: gingo.... one word to the poster that said that would be OWNED, this guerilla games dev absolutely demolished him and congratz to him i say because if 1 game looks better than killzone why does that make killzone a bad game it makes no sense

  23. Daz | miami2399

    • 11:09am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    23rd

  24. RagingStorm | RagingStormX

    • 11:15am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    Damn....that bi ch got served lol. And why would morons need to post that they are 1st or 2nd when each post is already numbered? Jeez....come on people.

  25. killercop | killercop

    • 11:22am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    25th

  26. InfernoReaper | GrimDarkling

    • 11:23am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    The kid was trying to provoke him by saying that since Eight Days looks better than Killzone 2, KZ2 is a failure.  What dev wouldn't take that as an insult?  I for one applaud the dev for providing an educated and thought out response.

    I could care less what that kid thinks of the game.  Games are being compared to KILLZONE 2 and not Eight Days.  I'm sure I'll be seeing way more people standing outside for Killzone 2.

    ---

    If you guys are going to post 1st or 2nd, click the Edit button on your post and actually say something.

    ---

    Where's ignignort? Nothing to spam about his website?

  27. killercop | killercop

    • 11:27am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    @ InfernoReaper

     

    Actually there's some sarcasm and meaning in this case of posting 1st, 2nd and so on. Try to guess it.

     

    Yeah and where is ignignort? Maybe he is banned.

  28. THE_NEXUS | nexus321

    • 11:29am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    i jus want this game nothin else.I would go locco if i had it,Too bad they didnt show anything at this years gdc.Man i wondet if the graph's are really that good???
    i wonder what the game will have thats different unlike other games.

  29. Untildeath89 | willmakenewonesoon

    • 11:50am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    seriously people you should by now know that its annoying to waste the comment section with "first" posts. OT, kinda sucks that people overhype you and it motivate others to insult you even if they dont know you.

  30. vipergts2207 | D-Smitty

    • 11:55am GMT - February 28th, 2008

    Woo go KZ devs.

  31. MajesticEdge

    • 12:28pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    Not saying that I agree with the fan, but atleast he is speaking his mind. It is better to do that than to be a total suck up.

     

    -- Sarad Jackson

  32. D3v1lwqer23

    • 1:07pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    Dude, that kid got owned SOOOO bad.

  33. psycho_mantis | makaveli_71

    • 1:09pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    when does killzone 2 come out?

  34. TheBattosai | makaveli_71

    • 1:21pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    Know what's stupid?
    All of you are wasting your time reading through these no doubt moronic comments and some STILL post your comment number.
    Whereas I went to the source located at the end of the article, which actually gleans some cool information on this most anticipated of titles.
    Now Sarad, why didn't you just do an article on this and perhaps include the fool getting told by said developer as a side note?

    Dear dear.

  35. Pablo0620 | Pablo0620

    • 1:31pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    the poster got major ownage. Killzone 2 is going to be sweet

  36. Gero | Gregero

    • 1:44pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    what's that one word that sounds like "owned" except with the "P" in place of the "O"?

  37. thegame97338 | G_PIG79

    • 1:44pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    I watch, and show off the trailer of KZ2 I downloaded off of PSN all the time..

  38. Kenshin93 | FredFredBurger3

    • 2:23pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    38th!

  39. InfernoReaper | GrimDarkling

    • 2:25pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    @ KillerCop (Post 17): I get the sarcasm and meaning of posting your post number.  I wasn't talking about you per se, just the whole thing.

    ---

    @ Psycho_Mantis:  My latest source tells me it's September 15th.

    ---

    @TheBattosai: Anyone who wanted to know info about KZ2 would have followed the link.  A lot of people can put "Ask A Dev thread" and KZ2 info together.  If they care enough, they'll look.

  40. ShadowPelican

    • 2:43pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    lol!...pwned!

  41. bnolan56 | snowy311

    • 2:46pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    Haha that developer has a great attention to detail and I must say his english is great. He dissed and completely b**ched him out in an intelligent way. I have been so psyched for Killzone2. That and MGS4 will be my two favorite games this year hopefully.

     

    P.S Eight Days looks like sh!t to be honest.

  42. leeman99 | Bedsidelee

    • 3:11pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    You always get one don't you who's not happy and likes upsetting everybody else they know nothing about games because forget your mgs this game is top of the pops no1.

  43. yoboyrob9041226 | BIGROB904

    • 3:25pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    he put that nigg* in his place

  44. Stickemup

    • 3:48pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    I simply hate on Killzone because the first one had the worst controls I have ever encountered on a FPS.

  45. NoStop

    • 4:20pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    47th !!!! this is fun... anyways nice responds from the devs.

  46. NC360

    • 4:30pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    If you're not 1st, don't post a damn number. No one cares about number 35, 47 or whatever. But for some reason the guy that makes 1st post does care... perhaps because others care that he cares.

  47. Chippydip

    • 4:47pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    pwnt

  48. Fingal_D | Fingal_D

    • 4:53pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    49th @ andonino nice thats what I have on my PS3 news site FPS3news.nwb

  49. anonymousaversa

    • 4:58pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    if it hasn't already been said:       pwned.

  50. reccodog | reccodog

    • 5:27pm GMT - February 28th, 2008

    It was just a 360 fanboy on a ps3 fourm making his lame and non-fact supporting no good no brain opinon. This time the devs listened and replyed. Go devs. Its about time some one stands up for us!

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